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Advise on learning to fly
from SBarnettW
wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago
You're on the right track right now; you're asking questions. I apologize for the long post—hope fully it's helpful. I just got my Private license last August, and here are a few things I learned:
1. Get a good instructor. He (or she) has to be someone you get along with, at the very least. Most people just walk into the airport, tell the person at the front desk that they want to fly, and take whatever instructor is first on the list. This may work for you, but consider that not likely. DO NOT get an instructor who is instructing merely to build time for the airlines. His heart will likely not be in the game, and your experience will suffer. I had a single experience with this when, on a business trip, I flew with an instructor who matched this description. He was a great guy, but was disinterested and "checked out" for most of the flight. I was thanking God the whole time that both my primary instructors taught for the love of it.
Before I started training, I interviewed several instructors at different airports. It is my opinion that your training will only be as good as the teacher. A couple of the instructors expressed surprise at wanting to be interviewed by a potential student. In fact, one of them said that in all his 15+ years as a CFI, he'd never been interviewed by anyone. That says a lot, to me. Interview a potential instructor.
2. The philosophy of the instructor an school are only second to the personality and character of the instructor. During your training, you're learning judgment, responsibility, and a very elusive skill. Pick a school that emphasizes "stick and rudder" flying. When you're finished with your training, you want to be on a good footing to pursue you other flying goals. The best way to do this is to have a firm understanding of the way an airplane works, and above all, a seat-of-the-pants "feel" for all attitudes of flight. A pilot with this skill can fly any airplane.
3. Work hard and LOVE it, no matter how hard it gets. That's the bottom line, to me. You have to absolutely be in love with flight and every airplane you get into—even your lowly little 150 trainer. Personally, I've dreamed of flying for as long as I can remember, so this wasn't difficult for me. Whatever happens, keep at it and don't lose that magic. Watch the movie "One Six Right" to rekindle it if you ever lose it. :-)
My experience: I started in January '11 at a non-towered, laid back airport (I73) with an instructor who had a good balance between seat-of-the-pants flying and "flying by the numbers". I developed a good relationship with him, and am happy to count him as a good friend now. Unfortunately, after my first solo, he had heart trouble and I had to go elsewhere to finish my training.
So, after repeating the interview/selection process again, I started taking lessons with another great guy (and amazing pilot) at a small grass strip (40I). This airport emphasized stick and rudder flying. Primary training is done in Cubs and a lone Aeronca Champ, and post-solo work in 150s. Since I was post-solo, I started right off in the Cessnas (something of a disappointment for a guy who's loved the Cub since he was born!). I can't say enough about how the ethos of the field and the attitude of the instructor I had formed me as a pilot. He expected the best from me, but was not in the least difficult to please or unreasonable. And he was always pushing my perceived limits. I came into training with a lot of misunderstandings about airplanes and aviation in general, and through my training, that changed. Oh, and I did end up doing spin training in both the Champ and the Cub, which gave me a valuable lesson, great feel for the airplane, in addition to sparking a desire to dabble in aerobatics!
So...hope this all helps. I got my license in about 6 months, which required flying about 3 times a week. It took 65.5 hours and $7500. That's about average on the hours side, but way below average on the cost. Guess I was lucky; instructor was $27-$35/hr and the airplane was $65-$79/hr. But focus on the quality of the training, not the cost. It was one of the best times of my life, and I'm sure it will be for you as well.
Good luck!
Advise on learning to fly
from SBarnettW
wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago
joshh, good for you for considering this at your age. Perfect time to do that. And you've come to the right place. I'm sure there will be many answers for you here.
As a quick answer to your question.....Yes. We are facing an impending pilot shortage, so you're well positioned to take advantage of that.
I'd recommend that you twist the arm of someone around you who has money (unless you can pay for it yourself) and start training for your Private Pilot certificate. That's usually the first step.
If you're looking for a career in the airlines, you'll need an ATP (Airline Transport Pilot) certificate and 1500hrs of flight time to even be considered for a First Officer position, which is where every pilot starts. If you're trying to get a job as a corporate jet pilot (which I believe you are if I read your question right) then you'll likely at least need the ATP cert. (someone more knowledgable will have to correct me if I'm wrong.
Since you need all that time to get started, I would say you should start on your Private license now (you can solo at 16), then get your instrument rating as soon as possible afterwards. Many airlines require a college degree, so that is likely something you'll want to consider, probably with a major in something "aviation related."
After that, it's up to you how to go. You need time, so I'd recommend that if you can, get your Commercial license and start getting paid to fly. Most pilots with similar aspirations get their CFI license and teach, but I'm of the opinion that they make bad teachers (you're the best judge of yourself though :-)).
It's a long road, and requires a lot of time (and money!), but if you're persistent, then you'll get there.
passangers
from SBarnettW
wrote 1 year 7 weeks ago
I've had my PPL for about 8 months and have only ever flown with one passenger. I foresee flying with multiple pax in the future, though, mostly on business. Biggest problem for me though, is that the typical small plane can't take three adults unless you sacrifice fuel. Something to consider.
Personally, I think that unless you expect to have a problem getting a third class medical, I'd go for the full Private. You can fly at night, and in more complex/powerful airplanes (with an endorsement).
Flt Watch vs Flt Service?
from SBarnettW
wrote 51 weeks 6 days ago
Thanks Dave for your help. I appreciate it! Like you said, you can read the books, but it still is hard to understand.
FirstFlightMike....thanks for chiming in. Glad to know I'm not the only one with basic questions.
N3992B, not sure what to say here. Just asking a question. Yes, I do know which one opens flight plans, etc....I was just looking to flesh my question out more. I wanted the "whys" of it all.
And, btw, I am a licensed pilot. Low time, yes, but I passed my private checkride.
Reminds me.....one book that has proven to be INVALUABLE to me as I continue my aviation education post-certificate is Bob Gardner's "Say Again Please." Amazing book, and the examples of radio transmissions that he puts in there are worth the book's price by themselves. FirstFlightMike, you'll find that very helpful I'm sure.
Is flying really safer than driving?
from SBarnettW
wrote 51 weeks 6 days ago
I'm sure someone has already brought this up, but here goes....
1. Flying is only as safe as the pilot. No surprises, but it escapes some people.
2. In aviation, every little nick and ding is reported as an "accident." In street driving, I can run my car into my mailbox and it never makes it into the accident database. Or I can rear-end another car, and both of us decide it's no big deal and go on our merry ways. (Yes, it does happen. Happened to my Dad).
So can we really compare aviation vs driving accidents? I think it's a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Or the AK-47 and the M-16. Oh wait....that's another can of worms.... :-)





