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P2V Air Tanker Crash Kills Two in Utah

By Stephen Pope / Published: Jun 05, 2012
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A Cold War-era Lockheed P2V tanker crashed in western Utah on Sunday, killing two pilots who had been battling a lightning-sparked wildfire. Eyewitnesses said it appeared a wingtip hit the ground in a rocky canyon as the airplane was dropping its fire retardant. The P2V disintegrated on impact, leaving a 1,000-foot-long debris field, officials said.

Firefighting crews tried to keep the fire from consuming the wreckage site to give sheriff's deputies time to confirm the pilots had died, but flames soon swept through the area. The pilots’ bodies were eventually recovered later in the day.

By Tuesday, the fire had grown to 8,000 acres with 15 percent containment, authorities said.

The crash has renewed calls for more funding to replace aging firefighting aircraft in the wake of a number of crashes in the last several years.

“As the air tanker fleet continues to atrophy, it’s going to reduce the country’s ability to get there early, which is why so many of these fires mushroom,” Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), chairman of the Forestry Subcommittee, said Monday. Wyden is leading a push by a group of senators from Western states to convince the U.S. Forest Service to bring newer firefighting airplanes into service.

The twin-engine P2V was developed during World War II as a submarine hunter. It entered service late in the war and remained in military service until the 1980s. The airplane that crashed on Sunday was built in 1962 and owned by Neptune Aviation Services of Missoula, Montana, according to FAA records.

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AirFrank's picture

RIP. We appreciate your help in battling this fire. Brave souls who fly firefighting planes.

Martin E Haisman's picture

Sad day for the families of the crew who took on a dangerous job to help and save others. Without knowing the actual cause and without a knee-jerk reaction, it does seem obvious that the aging aircraft need not only replacement, but a comprehensive strategic plan to ensure there is not a return to a situation where what we purchase today will become a relic tomorrow. Now there is a situation where a huge outlay is needed from who knows where? instead of "softening the blow" raising funds over a planned period. Good luck to those in the future who may have a better chance coming home rather then waiting for a vintage Pratt and Whitney to wind up on an old wing design heavy aircraft. I love the old aircraft and especially a radial engine, sleeve valve is fantastic but not something modified outside it planned operational parameters.

Martin E Haisman's picture

Apologies - looks like the type used in firefighting operations had Wright radial engines. Still like them.

gdskoog's picture

My sympathies to the families of these two brave souls. That being said, I offer a couple of discussion points. 1. machines do not know how old they are. They only know their current state of maintenance. The newest machine will always fail when the owners of the machine decide to save money by cutting back on a maintenance schedule. With the proper commitment to maintenance a machine will last forever. 2. The article states that it appeared that the wingtip hit the ground. If that were the case and the pilot's aircraft got hit by a significant heat thermal from the fire, no amount of "new" would have kept that plane from making contact with the terrain.

May God have mercy on their souls.

gds

rburkowski's picture

The Lockheed P2V and PV2 are two very different airplanes.

CessnaPilot4Fun's picture

Quoting gdskoog "2. The article states that it appeared that the wingtip hit the ground. If that were the case and the pilot's aircraft got hit by a significant heat thermal from the fire, no amount of "new" would have kept that plane from making contact with the terrain."

That is exactly what I was thinking when I read the story. Controlled or distracted or misjudged flight into terrain is not an aircraft age issue. Noone knows the exact cause just yet but its not like the C-130 where the wings popped off in CA years back.

That being said my deepest respect and sympathies to those who perished and their families and the greatest thanks for the work they do. My father has fought fires out west in Sikorskies and Hueys and its truly a job not meant for just anyone, myself included.

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