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Hate to armchair quarterback this, and glad that no one was seriously injured, but seems to me the road would have been a better pace to put her down. It looked like a rural area and from the low altitude, you could see if any power lines were present. Roads are not the first pace you would look, but with the deep snow, what you figure would happen, actually happened. Maybe remember the carb heat next time too.
For a soft field landing, I would have expected to hear the stall warning horn blaring as the pilot slowed the plane . I bet most of us pilots would have tried for a road. Looks like there were roads going in all directions. Look for a road with no buildings and it likely has minimal power lines. I bet he had cabin heat turned on. Why not carb heat, too ?
If you "hate to armchair quarterback this," then don't. Power lines are usually not visible from above. (Hint: look for power poles, not lines. You'll likely see them first, although you might be very low by the time you do.) A successful off-airport landing includes picking your landing area fairly early, setting up an acceptable pattern to get to it, and then executing a stabilized approach to your intended touchdown spot, just like any other landing. If you choose a road, by the time you get low enough to see power lines you are probably so low that you are committed to the road regardless. Utility poles range from 20 to 120 feet tall. Would you rather hit a pole at "flying speed," causing a loss of control, and fall the last 20-120 feet with all that forward motion, or land in the snow at a slower speed and slowly go over on your back onto a relatively soft surface? (Near the end of the video you can see the line in the snow where the plane slid, disapating speed, before it finally went over.) I hope I'm never in a position to have to pick one or the other of those options. Until I am, I'm not going to "armchair quarterback" a guy who was. I'll just point out that what he picked, for whatever reasons he had, worked. He and his passengers walked away. That's the bottom line.
For an off airport landing in any field conditions, I would have expected soft field technique. It does not appear that flaps were extended, and as stated earlier it did not seem that the aircraft was slowed to near stall before touchdown. I have, as most of us have, experienced carburetor ice on many occasions and the simple application of carb heat is all that I have ever needed to overcome it. It would appear to me that recurrent training would have been a good option for this , and many other , pilots. Currency is a very valid option for all of us.
No guarantee that the plane nosing over would not have occured anyway, but the pilot seemed calm enough, and yet did not seem to remember how to deal with the situation.
As long as no one was killed or seriously injured. The pilot did great, screw the plane.
Hey WAPilot, we are all arm chair quarterbacks, and my comments were based on what was visible from the video. i said " Hate to armchair quarterback this", as a means of constructive feedback without meaning any disrespect. if i were in this guys's shoes, i would welcome the constructive criticism. Obviously none of us were, and god bless him for handling this in a calm manner. When picking a field or road you would want to look for all obstacles, (power lines, poles, utility buildings, etc). If you look at the point in the snow where the mains touched down to the point of arrest, it looks like a only 150-200 feet. The plane flipped because of the rapid deceleration, and the pilot was lucky that there were only minor injuries. The road looked like a state highway and again, from the video, looked like a better option than landing in deep snow, in my humble opinion.
I am a CFI , CFII, CFIG, with a number of off airport landings. A road is usually a bad choice for a glider due to the 49 ft wingspan. For an airplane it may be OK depending on circumstances. The main concern in using a road is wires and poles. Wires are totally invisible until after you are committed. Poles can be seen. Power poles are not the only poles that are trouble. Here in New York the roads have steel mileage marker poles on both sides of the road. They are about 6 or 7 feet high and about 3 inches square. These are invisible from the air and if you hit one they will cause a severe ground loop or cartwheel. I think his choice was prudent. All certified singles have a stall speed with flaps down of 60 knots or less. This means nearly any landing under control at minimum speed will be survivable. Writing off the airplane is easy if you walk away unhurt. He got everyone down OK. Maybe he could have done some things differently (carb heat, flaps) but the bottom line is no one badly hurt Good job!
It looks to me that he had it pretty well under control.
He arrived under control just above stall. You could hear the stall warning horn just after touchdown.
Mixture was rich and carb heat was on.
All on board walked away.
It was all under control until the sudden stop at the end
It is easy to critique this event sitting here warm in front of the computer with a cup of coffee.
Much different when you are in the drivers seat and the engine makes that noise that most pilots hate. COMPLETE SILENCE
Maybe I'm a bit behind the power curve here (haha) but if it was carb ice that caused the problem, why didn't carb heat solve it? And on a seemingly dry day in an arid climate? Yes, I'm aware that carb ice can form in just about any condition, and that it must have been quite cold outside. Also, I'm aware that carb heat is not a blast furnace that instantly vaporises ice. That, however, is my question.
As to the selection of landing site, my tuppence says that he did a great job. OF course the fact that there was snow to cushion the impact is a big help. I am glad no one was hurt.
"I'm sorry about your plane"??
Forget that, the guy should be apologizing to you for ruining your wife's birthday. You're all lucky he got you out of what he got you into.
As for the pilot not remembering how to deal with the situation, he appears to be reviewing his checklist. Maybe he had the wrong page.
In complete agreement with pieman108 I would offer the additional facts in evidence-
-video and text give no indication of conditions under the cowl prior/post landing. Carb heat hoses come loose without warning lights.
-the pilot gave himself altitude in order to make calculated choices. No low circling of Grandma's house.
-the pilot was controlling an extreme amount of adrenalin motivated by the knowledge that a wrong choice could end the lives of an infant and young family.
-if there was a bad pilot choice here it was not purchasing a plane with wheels that can be made to go away for a belly landing.
First off, as others have mentioned, the pilot did a good job with his aeronautical decision making in picking a spot to land in that wasn't a road, and at making a survivable landing. As for not using flaps, I won't fault him too much, since it's one thing to armchair quarterback, but another to remember all the little things in the heat of the moment.
What I do have to fault him for is the fact that this was an off-airport landing because of carb icing. I have experienced suspected carb icing both on takeoff and at cruise power, and neither resulted in an off-airport (or even un-powered) landing. With cruise power carb icing, it can take a while for full power to be restored, but it will come back. The problem is, it can't be left as a last-minute diagnosis, since there might not be enough engine heat left to melt the ice; it needs to be detected early in order to be effective. Assuming it was carb icing (and not some other exhaust or intake obstruction), I would suspect he was losing power for quite a while.
So, a good save at the end, but in my opinion, poor detection early on.
Just some local input, as I live about 4 miles from the crash site. First, the roads in the area are very narrow and nearly all are lined with utility lines and fences. Deep barrow-pits are also the norm here (for run-off management). The only exception is nearby US 89/91, a four-lane highway with a median turn-lane, but it would have been busy that time of day. Second, we were experiencing a severe inversion (you can kind of see evidence of that in the video). In the valley temps struggled to reach the teens, but I was skiing at the time of the accident in the nearby mountains and it was in the mid 30s. The air was dry, but I'm not sure what the exact dew point or humidity was. Judging by the video, the pilot was just north of Sardine Summit, a 6,000' mt. pass. Guessing he was at 7,500'. In the local paper, the pilot said he may have been able to reach Brigham City (BMC) but had one more (7,500') ridge to clear and doubted he'd make it so he decided to turn back toward Logan (LGU). Overall, I think he did the right thing, but yeah- a little fast on touchdown. We all would like to think we could drop the flaps and haul back on the yoke with the stall horn screaming and land like a feather in such a situation.
@ DanOlson
cfi...AND...cfii...AND...cfig wow! Ya know Dan, the CFIG is kind of redundant when you are already a CFI AND a CFII....
Personally, I just say CFII....everybody gets the point....
uh, obviously YOU dont get the point - CFIG is a glider CFI. did you think it was a ground instructor? CFII is, of course, instrument and doesnt cover gliders.





