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Second Near-Disaster Reignites Air France 447 Debate

By Bethany Whitfield / Published: Sep 13, 2011
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A second wild ride of an Air France Airbus has gained the attention of safety investigators. French media reports emerged last week about an Air France flight that recently experienced some events similar to those of Flight 447 shortly before it crashed into the Atlantic Ocean, reigniting debate over what caused the fatal crash that killed 228 people more than two years ago.

The new incident took place in July on an Air France flight en route from Paris to Caracas, Venezuela, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro, which said it obtained a report of the incident.

The aircraft in question was an Airbus A340 that hit severe turbulence while cruising at an altitude of 35,000 feet.

Le Figaro
reported that the A340 accelerated rapidly, after which the autopilot disengaged and the aircraft began a sharp climb to 38,000 feet, events that parallel those experienced by Air France 447 before the A330 stalled and descended into the Atlantic Ocean.

According to other news outlets covering the recent incident, the A340 pilots likely disengaged the autopilot after turbulence triggered a temporary overspeed warning. The crew then made nose-up inputs, which increased the aircraft’s pitch attitude to 11 degrees and slowed its speed to Mach 0.66.

The crew corrected this deviation, however, after which the A340 continued on to Caracas without further incident.

France’s accident investigation unit, the BEA, confirmed it has opened an investigation into the incident, but advised against drawing connections to Air France 447, which experienced speed indication malfunctions not seen in the July episode.

Nonetheless, investigators are reportedly interested in whether the response of the A340 crew illustrates any similarities to that of the AF 447 pilots.

The causes of Air France 447 have been the subject of much debate since the aircraft’s black boxes were recovered earlier this year. While BEA investigators have pointed to the pilots’ lack of stall recognition and recovery, several design features of the Airbus’ fly-by-wire flight control system and stall warning system have also been called into question.

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ggramont's picture

It would be nice that an Aviation Magazine like Flying stop copying the general media with scary title like "near-disaster". It looks like the crew reacted as they were trained to. If Bethany Whitfield is a pilot, she should know that flying without any speed indication (flight 447) is very different that just having an autopilot disconnect!

donny swain's picture

MGR.

I AM A EX FLIGHT CONTROL ENGINEER , THIS PROBLEM JUST OCCURED I BELIEVE IT IS TIED TO THE ------PITOT STATIC HEATERS NOT FUNCTIONING IN THE AIRCRAFT COMPUTER------FLIGHT DATA--------------

THIS IS A GROUNDING OF AIRCRAFT UNTIL------RECTIFIED------------

DONNY SWAIN

balt's picture

There is nothing similar in those two incidents apart from the fact that the airplane did exactly what the (auto)pilots asked of it. No grounding necessary...

In the first instance, AF447, the airplane performed a very stable 10kfpm descent while being held in a stall and (massively) excessive AOA by the pilots.

In the second instance, the Caracas flight mentioned above, the airplane flew into an overspeed situation due to changing winds aloft. The overspeed protection system initiated a climb to bleed off excessive speed. That's completely correct and safe behaviour. The crew took over and brought the airplane back down to the cruising level. What's wrong with that?

The first instance highlights a serious training problem inside AF, the second highlights that there was a sustained wind gust on the noise of that flight and all protection systems worked. No more, no less.

Cheers

- Balt

airsteve172's picture

The only similarities between flight 447 and this incident are Air France, Airbus and the fact that they were enroute somewhere between Europe and South America.

According to what I've read here about the most recent incident, everything worked as it should have, while AF447 sustained pitot-static instrument failure followed by pilot failure that I believe was a result of the crew being stupified by the fly-by-wire system. If the PIC had bothered to do something as simple and basic as check the attitude indicator, level the aircraft and put the thrust settings somewhere in the cruise range, the outcome of this event might have been dramatically different.

SocalFlyer's picture

Oh, come on guys & gals, give the media sensationalists a break. They have to make a living too, and if they couldn't hype things up they'd be in the welfare line with everyone else!

Brian McCulloch's picture

Incident took place in July, it is now September, why the wait? If all is well why not announce the fact straight afterwards and give the pilots a bonus?
Instead it has to be dissected and analyzed in secret until someone leaks it to a reporter back from holiday.
I am sure Flying has regular, daily or at least weekly "whats up" calls to Boeing, Airbus, regulators and the major airlines and was assured nothing extraordinary, where as having one of the largest jets in the world carrying passengers on a scheduled route coming to within three knots of stalling at 38,000 feet should be treated as being extraordinary. Especially after Flight 477.

BeechV35A's picture

I think the flight crew thought they were under attack by the wind and pulled the nose up as a sign of surrender. It's a cultural thing so please don't criticize them, just accept it.

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